By Eric D. Hackley
Editor’s note: The following is the transcript of a Hackonomics program covering the release of Eric Hackley’s new book, “KEKIONGA BLACKS’ War on HIS-Story & Slave Mentality.” The book release was held recently at the Little Turtle Branch of the Allen County Public Library:
Introduction of speaker Eric Hackley by Carla K. Bauman
“Thank you for coming out this afternoon. My name is Carla K. Bauman-Franks and I’m the manager here at the Little Turtle Branch Library.
“About a month or so ago, Mr. Hackley approached me about his new book and asked if we might have an interest in him coming to the library and sharing information about his book, his research and immediately I said yes. Information sharing is ingrained in the mission on our library. And when it comes to sharing information that is not commonly known and not talked about very often, I got excited. That’s exactly what we want to happen in our library.
“Eric Hackley is a regular contributor to Frost illustrated here in Fort Wayne and he is the author of the book, ‘KEKIONGA BLACKS’ War on HIS-Story & Slave Mentality.’ His interest in exposing institutionalized distortion of history I know will leave us all enriched and inspired.
“Eric Hackley’s plan is to obtain email support from the people in Fort Wayne and Northeast Indiana and ask them to support the movement to put Fort Wayne ‘Kekionga’ history back into Indiana and U.S. History books with full details of Little Turtle’s Wars.
Anymore it isn’t taught and doesn’t have to be mentioned in the classrooms of Indiana schools, unless the teachers want to discuss it.”
Conversation on Hackley’s plan with audience member Dean Robinson
ROBINSON: “I’m up with what you’re talking about. When you’re talking about this notion of pride in a city or where you’re from. You’ve openly revealed where our collective values are. So when we talk about collective values or societal values, you’ll see that people do value music, whether is opera or hip-hop. People are going to value so much of this entertainment out here and that’s where they’re going to put their allegiance. If you want to talk about CSI shows, I bet you’d find a lot of people who could have a long conversation about CSI or CSI Miami. I find it amusing.
“But then when it comes to this history you’re talking about, some legislative government issues, that’s where people lose interest. Why wouldn’t they lose interest? If I go out here and say, ‘Hey people, you want to talk about some of this Fort Wayne history or do you want to talk about some of these top 40 artists?’ well you can have conversations about to 40 artists. So when you talk about what people value and why isn’t this history brought out? Because there’s other things people are interested in.
“But getting back to the Fort Wayne history and how you’re bringing it, is a total gem! But, you’re casting pearls before the swine. They’d rather watch silly violence, pornography and there’s no mystery to it. And, it will be frustrating. Sometime when guys like you and guys like me say, we’ve got this pertinent information people could really value, we’ll find that people are indifferent. They don’t care.”
HACKLEY: “Nevertheless, I intend to galvanize Fort Wayne people and I plan to visit the governor’s office for an interview with him about what I discussed in my presentation.”
ROBINSON: “But Eric, in your presentation, you didn’t touch on the bond between the Ku Klux Klan and Indiana government. We don’t have to go into it now, but you know it. You know that when you look into Indiana State government, you’ll find it intertwined with the Ku Klux Klan.
“Mike Pence knows that! Mitch Daniels, the republican who’s now the president over liberal Purdue University, he knows it! These people in state government know for a fact the bond between Indiana State government and the Ku Klux Klan. Mike Pence knows the reason why you need a statue of the genocidal maniac known as ‘Mad’ Anthony Wayne, the guy who has two graves, one containing just his rendered fat and the other containing his bones. That’s part of the history of ‘Mad’ Anthony Wayne. But, the reason you need statues is that you can make anything look glorified. You can make almost anything look great. That’s why you need a statue. To make something that is horrible, palatable. You can make something that is horrible into something that people will praise.
“You know that George Washington was a slave owner, a genocidal maniac and a traitor to the British Crown. Parson Mason Weems, the guy who wrote ‘A History of the Life and Death, Virtues and Exploits of General George Washington,’ said the story about George Washington and the cherry tree was totally made up because we needed to create these legends for this new country. We needed these God-like icons of these freaks like Ben Franklin who was a regular at the Hellfire Club, a sex club! Ben Franklin the guy who use to dig up graves so he could do his experiments was a complete freak! But, you need these paintings of these guys looking like they’re touching God, you need these statues to make that garbage palatable.
“Mike Pence knows all of this. He’s laughing at us, but let him laugh. We’ll be the meek out here because we haven’t embraced the subjugation of people, the exploitation of people, sexism, racism, you and I don’t embrace that. But in this world, those things get you paid.”
HACKLEY: “But the facts remain. Our history is still our history. In trying to organize people around the facts of our history, supposedly truth conquers evil and I willing to put that theory to test. There are a few people around here who care about Fort Wayne ‘Kekionga’ history and want it placed back into the Indiana and U.S. History textbooks with details.
“Therefore, I will reach beyond color lines and show the people of Fort Wayne and Northeast Indiana that we have something in common that we can unite around and fight for. I’m not just trying to just attract the folks who want me to rap this message with a beat, although I thought about it and still may do it.”
ROBINSON: “I wouldn’t blame you.
HACKLEY: “My point is that we have such original history that we can show the ones not sold on our history, increase their awareness of the facts so they’ll have a knowledge base necessary to appreciate, find our local history interesting and see its educational value. Then they in turn can start researching their own personal genealogy and family histories because you never know what you’ll find when you investigate your family roots.”
ROBINSON: Obviously, I’m in agreement with you, that’s why I’m here. I do find it valuable. But with a guy like Mike Pence, there is nothing for him to strategically gain by talking about the history you’re talking about. I understand people like Governor Pence and Fort Wayne Mayor Tom Henry who won’t talk to me anymore. I am banned from talking with the mayor anymore. So when you try to have a rational conversation with these guys, there’s no benefit to it.
“I would say for you, you’ve got to remove your personal feeling out of it. You talk about how you’re related to this stuff and the desires that you want. I’ll say remove all that because it’s going to be used against you. That’s the kind of stuff that people will use to tweak you to get you mad and off point. You need to stay on point and understand that with a guys like Mayor Henry and Governor Pence, how in the world can they benefit by the changes you suggest?”
HACKLEY: “Because one is the mayor of Fort Wayne, one is the governor of Indiana and the other is the former Indiana governor who literally dismantled and almost totally deleted Fort Wayne history “Kekionga” and the Little Turtle Wars from U.S. and Indiana History textbooks.”
ROBINSON: “If you’re counting on Mike Pence and guys like Mitch Daniels, if you’re actually counting on these guys to bring some sort of social or racial equality to our educational system through history and social studies, that’s just a fools errand.”
Comment by audience member Steve Cain
CAIN: “I think your idea is exciting. I would like to see a radio station that’s dedicated to the subversive history that is the backdrop for our nation’s history.
“I kind of disagree with the other gentleman. I believe the truth will set you free and our freedom is based in truth and a certain character named Jesus said that. So, I really believe that if we don’t have truth in our education system, it’s a big deal. I think Pence and the former governor need to be alerted to the fact that some of us are really very excited about truth. Truth in the Native American area has been subjugated. The subjugated peoples of our 513 or 535 tribes that were in this country, we don’t have their history and we’re losing their languages everyday. As a person with a little bit of Cherokee, I just think it’s a sad, sad commentary that we don’t educate our kids on this subversive history that helps, like you said sir, to help us to fight for what’s right, for what’s true in our in our lives together as many races, many cultures and many diverse heritages.”
Watch Eric Hackley’s presentation in its entirety below.